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Fox News was hit with a new lawsuit over alleged lies. Trump supporter Ray Epps is suing the network for allegedly pushing a dangerous January 6 conspiracy theory. Political Strategist James Carville joins MSNBC’s Ari Melber to discuss the suit and wider implications . (Check out The Beat's playlist: msnbc.com/ari Connect with Ari Melber: www.instagram.com/arimelber)
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Go, WE BEGIN WITH THE BREAKING NEWS.
THIS IS A BIG, ONE, -- WE, HAVE, FOLLOWED, THE, IMPACT, OF, LIES, AND, CONSPIRACY, THEORIES, IN, OUR, POLITICS, IN, OUR, MEDIA, ECOSYSTEMS, AND, IN, COURT, WHERE, THERE, HAVE, BEEN, MAJOR, CONSEQUENCES., YOU, KNOW, THAT, IF, YOU, FOLLOW, THE, NEWS, AND, THE, NEWS, TONIGHT, FOX, NEWS, HIT, WITH, A, NEW, PUNISHING, DEFAMATION, SUIT., IF, YOU're, COUNTING, THIS, IS, THE, THIRD., IT, HAS, TO, DO, WITH, JANUARY, 6th., THE, ISSUES, THERE, ARE, ABOUT, CIVIL, COURT, NOT, CRIMINAL., WE've, COVERED, THE, CRIMINAL, SIDE, OF, THIS, MANY, TIMES., THE, CIVIL, SIDE, IS, WHETHER, THERE, WERE, PEOPLE, WHO, LIED, AND, SENT, PEOPLE, OFF, TO, THE, INSURRECTION, OR, LIED, AND, DEFAMED, PEOPLE, IN, WAYS, THAT, DAMAGED, THEM, OR, THEIR, COMPANIES., NOW, THE, PEOPLE, WHO, HAVE, SUED, AREN't, ALWAYS, FOX, HATERS, OR, CRITICS, THE, VOTING, COMPANY, THAT, GOT, OVER, HALF, A, BILLION, DOLLARS, OUT, OF, THEM, DIDN't, HAVE, LONGSTANDING, GRIEVANCES, WITH, THE, COMPANY., THEY, WERE, JUST, ABLE, TO, GET, SO, FAR, IN, THEIR, PUNISHING, LAWSUIT, THAT, THEY, GOT, OVER, HALF, A, "B", OUT, OF, RUPERT, MURDOCH, AND, TUCKER, CARLSON, WAS, FIRED., I, SAY, THAT, BEFORE, I, BRING, IN, JAMES, CARVILLE, BECAUSE, THIS, COMES, FROM, A, TRUMP, SUPPORTER, RAY, EPPS.
HE SAYS THAT TUCKER CARLSON, THE FORMER FOX HOST, OUSTED, AFTER, A, DIFFERENT, LAWSUIT, WAS, AT, AN, ILLEGAL, OR, DEFAMATORY, LEVEL, PEDDLING, KNOWINGLY, FALSE, CONSPIRACY, THEORIES, SPECIFICALLY, AGAINST, HIM., HE, SAYS, QUOTE, CARLSON, WAS, TELLING, A, FANTASTICAL, STORY, IN, WHICH, EPPS, WAS, SOME, SORT, OF, UNDERCOVER, FBI, AGENT, RESPONSIBLE, FOR, THE, ACTUAL, MOB, THAT, BROKE, INTO, THE, CAPITAL., SO, WHAT, YOU're, ABOUT, TO, SEE, IS, WHAT, WE, WARNED, YOU, BEFORE, NOT, OFFERED, AS, TRUE, NOT, OFFERED, AS, SOMETHING, YOU, SHOULD, BELIEVE, BUT, OFFERED, AS, EVIDENCE, IN, ANOTHER, CASE, THAT, COULD, SERIOUSLY, CHANGE, WHAT, FOX, SAYS, WHO, IS, EMPLOYED, BY, THEM, AND, WHAT, IS, FED, OUT, TO, THEIR, LOYAL, AUDIENCE, AND, PARTS, OF, THE, REPUBLICAN, PARTY., THAT's, WHY, I, TELL, YOU, THIS, AIN't, A, MEDIA, STORY., WE, DON't, TYPICALLY, LEAD, WITH, MEDIA, STORIES, LIKE, CRITIQUING, A, "NEW, YORK, TIMES", ARTICLE., THAT's, PART, OF, SOMETHING, LARGER., HERE's, WHAT, CARLSON, SAID, ABOUT, THE, PERSON, WHO's, SUING, HIM., >>, A, MAN, CALLED, RAY, EPPS., EPPS, WAS, IN, WASHINGTON, THE, NIGHT, BEFORE, JANUARY, 5th., THIS, EPPS, GUY, A, PHOTO, OF, RAY, EPPS., NEW, REPORTING, ON, RAY, EPPS., A, MYSTERIOUS, FIGURE, CALLED, RAY, EPPS., >>, IT, WENT, ON, AND, ON, LIKE, THAT, AND, THE, VIDEOS DO SHOW EPPS WAS ON THE CAPITOL GROUNDS ON THE, 6th, THOUGH, THERE's, NO, EVIDENCE, HE, ENTERED, THE, BUILDING., EPPS, SAYS, HE, AND, HIS, WIFE, ARE, RECEIVING, DEATH, THREATS, HAD, TO, SELL, THEIR, BUSINESS, THEY, LEFT, HOME, COMMUNITY, AND, STATE, TO, GET, AWAY, FROM, WHAT, HE, ARGUE, IN, COURT, IN, THIS, LAWSUIT, WAS, A, KNOWINGLY, FALSE, DEFAMATION, THEORY, DESIGNED, TO, HURT, THEM, AND, IT, DID., FOX, SETTLED, TWO, MAJOR, SUITS, WITH, DOMINION, AND, AN, EX, TUCKER, CARLSON, PRODUCER., THERE's, OTHER, SUITS, PUTTING, MAJOR, PRESSURE, ON, THEM., INDEED, SMARTMATIC, A, DIFFERENT, VOTING, COMPANY, HAS, A, $2, BILLION, PLUS, LAWSUIT, AGAINST, THEM., I, WANT, TO, BRING, IN, JAMES, CARVILLE, AS, MENTIONED, THE, POLITICAL, STRATEGIST, THE, CLINTON, ADVISER, THE, LONG, TIME, DEMOCRATIC, GURU., WELCOME, SIR., >>, THANK, YOU., GOOD, TO, BE, HERE, ARI., >>, GOOD, TO, HAVE, YOU., I'll, LET, THE, VIEWERS, IN, ON, A, LITTLE, SIDE, NOTE, WHICH, IS, PEOPLE, LIKE, ME, AND, YOU, IF, WE, RUN, INTO, EACH, OTHER, AT, A, CONFERENCE, IN, WASHINGTON, WE, MIGHT, TALK, ABOUT, MEDIA., I, UNDERSCORE, I, DON't, USUALLY, LEAD, THE, NEWS, PROGRAM, WITH, STORIES, ABOUT, OTHER, MEDIA, WHETHER, IT's, "THE, TIMES,", NEW, YORKER, OR, FOX., SEEMS, THE, PRESSURE, THAT's, INCREASING, ON, FOX, AS, AN ORGAN OF RIGHT WING INFORMATION, AN ARBITER OF THE REPUBLICAN, PARTY, THIS, IS, ALSO, A, POLITICAL, STORY, I'm, CURIOUS, WHAT, YOU, THINK., >>, WELL, IT, IS, AND, I'm, ASSOCIATED, WITH, MEDIA, THAT's, DONE, A, -- IF, YOU, REMEMBER, RIGHT, AFTER, JANUARY, 6th, THEY, NEEDED, AN, ALTERNATIVE, STORY, AND, SAID, IT, WAS, REALLY, ANTIFA., BUT, THERE's, NO, SUCH, THING, AT, ANTIFA, SO, YOU, CAN't, DEFAME, IT., THERE's, NO, ORGANIZATION, THERE's, NO, ANTIFA, HEADQUARTERS, THERE's, NO, ANTIFA, BOARD., SO, IF, THEY, WOULD, HAVE, JUST, STUCK, WITH, ANTIFA, THEY, WOULD, HAVE, PROBABLY, BEEN, OKAY., BUT, THEN, THEY, SINGLE, MR., EPPS, OUT., OF, COURSE, IT's, A, FILE, IT's, A, LAWSUIT., THE, DEFENSE, HADN't, HAD, A, CHANCE, BUT, ALL, OF, IT, SEEMS, PRETTY, TRUE., THE, STUFF, HIM, SAYING, ABOUT, MR., EPPS, THAT, PEOPLE, IN, ARIZONA, -- I, BET, YOU, THAT, HE's, TELLING, THE, TRUTH, WHEN, HE, HAD, TO, MOVE, AND, HE, HAD, DEATH, THREATS, AND, EVERYTHING, ELSE., THEY, SHOULD, HAVE, JUST, STUCK, WITH, ANTIFA, WHICH, DOESN't, EXIST, ONLY, IN, THEIR, MIND., BUT, ONCE, THEY, WENT, TO, AN, INDIVIDUAL, THAT's, A, LITTLE, DIFFERENT., THAT's, NOT, A, GENERAL, THING., >>, THIS, IS, A, -- YEAH, IT's, A, SIMPLE, QUESTION, JAMES, BUT, SOMETIMES, I, ASK, THE, SIMPLE QUESTION.
WHAT DOES IT TELL YOU THAT EVEN FOR THE FOX, AUDIENCE, -- FORGET, THE, REST, OF, THE, COUNTRY, -- THAT, EVEN, FOR, THE, FOX, AUDIENCE, THE, TRUTH, WASN't, GOING, TO, WORK., THE, TRUTH, THAT, DONALD, TRUMP, AND, OTHER, OFFICIALS, AND, OTHER, PEOPLE, DOCUMENTED, IN, THE, JANUARY, 6th COMMITTEE, AND ELSEWHERE, LED THIS, THING., THAT, DIDN't, WORK., THEY, COULDN't, STICK, TO, THE, TRUTH, SO, AS, YOU, SAY, THEY, HAD, TO, START, BLAMING, OTHER, PEOPLE, FOR, WHAT, WE, ALL, KNOW, WAS, A, TRUMP, RALLY, THAT, TURN, INTO, THE, A, TRUMP, INSURRECTION., >>, THEY, WERE, DESPERATE, TO, HAVE, AN, ANSWER., IT, WAS, BAD, OPTICS, OF, PEOPLE, BEATING, UP, POLICEMEN, AND, BREAKING, INTO, WINDOWS, AND, THAT, AUDIENCE, DESPERATELY, NEEDED, ANOTHER, EXPLANATION., IF, THEY, WERE, GOING, TO, KEEP, THEIR, AUDIENCE, THEY, HAD, TO, SUPPLY, IT., THE, ANTIFA, THING, FELL, APART, TO, MR., EPPS, WAS, THE, MAN, AND, THAT, AUDIENCE, THEY, JUST, CAN't, LET, IT, GO., THEY, HAVE, TO, -- IT's, A, GIANT, MONSTER, THAT, YOU, HAVE, TO, FEED, EVERY, NIGHT, AND, THAT's, WHAT, HAPPENED, OF, COURSE, WITH, THE, DOMINION., IT's, WHAT's, GOING, TO, HAPPEN, WITH, SMARTMATIC, AND, MR., EPPS., THAT's, AN, EXPENSIVE, GIANT., ATE, TOO, MANY, CHEESEBURGERS, AND, PEOPLE, ARE, COMING, BACK, AFTER THEM.
I PROMISE YOU.
I DON't KNOW, YOUR -- THIS, CASE, DOESN't, LOOK, FRIVOLOUS, TO, ME, BUT, WE'll, SEE., >>, NO., NO, AND, IT, MAY, NOT, BE, AT, THE, SCALE, OF, THE, VOTING, COMPANY, WHICH, GOES, TO, THE, DAMAGES, BUT, THEY, HAVE, ANOTHER, VOTING, COMPANY, CASE, PENDING., THEY, HAVE, HALF, A, MILLION, THEY, GOT, RID, OF, LOU, DOBBS, TUCKER, CARLSON, PAID, OFF, CARLSON's, PRODUCER., WE, LIVE, IN, A, COUNTRY, WE, GET, THIS, HEROIN, LEVEL, DEMAND., PEOPLE, SAY, SHOW, ME, WHEN, THERE's, RESULTS., I, SAY, THOSE, ARE, THE, RESULTS., HERE's, ANOTHER, ONE., I, GET, THAT, CERTAIN, THINGS, MOVE, SLOWLY, BUT, THEY, CERTAINLY, AT, A, POLITICAL, BUSINESS, AND, AUDIENCE, LEVEL, ARE, PAYING, FOR, IT., THEN, YOU, HAVE, THE, ROLE, THEY, PLAY, IN, WHETHER, THERE's, GOING, TO, BE, AN, ALTERNATIVE, TO, TRUMP., YOU're, HERE., WE, WANT, TO, GET, YOU, ON, THIS., THERE, ARE, REPUBLICANS, THAT, WANT, TO, GET, MURDOCH, TO, SEE, THEM, AS, THE, ALTERNATIVE., RON, DeSANTIS, BEFORE, HE, RAN, WAS, SEEN, AS, THAT, OPTION., "THE, NEW, YORK, TIMES", SAYS, DeSANTIS, HAS, STARTED, TO, LOSE, SO, BADLY, THE, MURDOCH, FAMILY, IS, TURNING, ON, HIM., THE, SHINE, HAS, COME, OFF, THE, STONE., MURDOCH's, SOUR, ON, DeSANTIS., THEY, CAN, SMELL, A, LOSER., POLLS, PLUMMETING BY OVER 20 POINTS.
WHAT DOES IT TELL YOU, JAMES, THAT, THE, IDEA, OF, DeSANTIS, AT, A, DISTANCE, IS, APPARENTLY, PLAYING, DIFFERENTLY, THAN, THE, ACTUAL, REAL, DeSANTIS, NOW, THAT, HE's, RUNNING?, >>, WELL, FIRST, THING, WHEN, A, CANDIDATE, HAS, TO, GO, OUT, AND, ACT, HUMAN, YOU're, NOT, STARTING, IN, A, GOOD, PLACE., DON't, FORGET, TO, BE, HUMAN., SHAKE, HANDS, WITH, THEM., DeSANTIS', BIG, PROBLEM, IS, HE, TOUCHED, A, KING, TRUMP., AND, HE, GRAZED, HIM., HE, DIDN't, KILL, HIM., AND, THEY're, MAD, AT, HIM., AND, HE, MADE, THE, UNBELIEVABLE, ERROR., IF, SOMETHING, HAPPENS, TO, TRUMP, -- LET's, SAY, HE, HAS, A, CATASTROPHIC, LEGAL, CASE, OR, LET's, SAY, HE, HAS, SOME, HEALTH, ISSUE., I, DON't, WISH, THAT, ON, ANYBODY, BUT, IF, SOMETHING, CATASTROPHIC, POLITICAL, I, OR, OTHERWISE, WOULD, HAPPEN, TO, TRUMP, THEY're, NOT, GOING, TO, GO, TO, DeSANTIS., >>, YOU, DON't, EVEN, THINK, HE's, SECOND., >>, NO., >>, HE's, NOT, EVEN, SECOND, TO, YOU., >>, THE, ONE, THAT, THEY, WILL, GO, TO, IS, J.D., VANCE., HE's, THE, HEIR, APPARENT, FOR, THE, MAGA, CROWD, BECAUSE, HE's, NEVER, CROSSED, -- ALL, THE, PEOPLE, THAT, CROSSED, TRUMP, THEY're, DONE., BECAUSE, THERE's, LIKE, OUR, GUY, WAS, UNDER, SIEGE, BY, THE, DEEP, STATE, THE, GLOBALISTS, THE LEFTISTS, THE CORPORATE MEDIA, AND YOU WERE PILING ON HIM., ALL, THESE, GUYS, ARE, GOING, TO, PAY, A, PRICE, AND, IT's, NOT, GOING, TO, GO, AWAY., IT, WILL, GO, INTO, THE, OUT, EARS., THEY, TRIED, TO, DO, TRUMP, IN, AND, THEY're, GOING, TO, BE, VIEWED, AS, TRAITORS., DON't, ASK, ME, TO, MAKE, LOGIC, OUT, OF, IT, BUT, THAT's, JUST, THE, FACT., >>, YEAH, NO, YOU're, JUST, ANALYZING, IT., THAT's, INTERESTING., BEFORE, WE, MOVE, OFF, THIS., BECAUSE, THERE's, OTHER, STUFF, I, WANT, TO, ASK, YOU, ABOUT., WE, DID, CHECK, THE, TAPES., WE, DO, OUR, HOMEWORK, ON, "THE, BEAT.", YOU're, KNOWN, FOR, YOUR, WORK., YOU, MENTIONED, MEDIA, MATTERS, CRITIC, OF, FOX, BUT, YOU, HAVE, BEEN, AROUND, POLITICS, ENOUGH, BACK, IN, THE, DAY, YOU, DID, POP, UP, EVERY, SO, OFTEN., WE, HAVE, THE, TAPE., LET's, TAKE, A, LOOK., >>, OH, GOD., >>, THE, BEGINNING, OF, THE, SHOW, SAID, THERE's, REALLY, NOTHING, HE, CAN, DO, IT's, JUST, THE, OPTICS, ARE, BAD., >>, BUT, IT's, LEADERSHIP., LEADERSHIP, JAMES., >>, THEY, HAD, SANCTIONS, THAT, HAD, LED, -- THEY, HAD, THE, SANCTIONS, DONE, BEFORE, THIS, EVER, HAPPENED., TELL, PEOPLE, NOT, TO, FLY, OVER, THIS, AREA., >>, AS, A, POLITICAL, PRO, YOU, HAVE, BEEN, AROUND, SO, I GUESS PART OF THE QUESTION, IS GIVEN EVERYTHING WE JUST, DISCUSSED, WITH, THEM, IS, IT, ALWAYS, THE, SAME, PLACE?, YOU've, INTERACTED, WITH, SOME, OF, THE, FOLKS, THERE?, OR, DO, YOU, SEE, SOMETHING, MORE, DIFFERENT, AND, FALSE, IN, WHAT, THEY, DO, TODAY?, >>, WELL, YOU, DIDN't, HAVE, TRUMP, EXPOSE, EVERYTHING., WE, WERE, LIVING, UNDER, SOME, CONVOLUTION, THERE, WAS, A, REPUBLICAN, PARTY, THAT, TENDED, TO, NOT, LIKE, REGULATION, VERY, MUCH, THAT, WAS, PRO, TAX, CUTS, FOR, THE, WEALTHY, AND, KIND, OF, FISCALLY, CONSERVATIVE, -- NOT, TRUE, BUT, DEMONSTRATIVELY, NOT, TRUE., BE, THEN, TRUMP, EXPOSED, THE, WHOLE, THING., HE, JUST, CAME, ALONG, AND, BLEW, THE, ENTIRE, THING, UP., YOU, KNOW, O'reilly, HAD, HIS, OWN, ISSUES, SINCE, THAT, AIRED., EVERYBODY, AT, FOX, GETS, ISSUES, FROM, TIME, TO, TIME., BUT, THEY, JUST, -- THEY're, LIVING, ON, THE, EDGE, AND, A, LOT, OF, THEM, ARE, FALLING, OFF, ON, THE, EDGE, AND, THE, ONLY, GUY, STILL, STANDING, IS, TRUMP., I, GOT, TO, TELL, YOU, HE's, STILL, STANDING, THERE, AND, -- FORTUNATELY, FOR, US, I, DON't, THINK, THERE's, ENOUGH, TO, WIN, A, GENERAL, ELECTIONING, BUT, HE's, DANGEROUSLY, CLOSE, TO, THAT., AND, YOU, KNOW, THERE, WAS, A, BIG, STORY, I, READ, TODAY, ABOUT, THE, PEW, ANALYSIS, ABOUT, THE 2022 RETURN, AND DEMOCRATIC TURNOUT WAS, NOT, GOOD., WE, GOT, TO, GET, THAT, THROUGH, OUR, HEAD., WE, HAD, POOR, 2022, TURNOUT, AND, PARTICULARLY, POOR, BLACK, TURNOUT, AND, WE, BETTER, GET, UNDER, THE, HOOD, AND, FIGURE, OUT, WHAT's, CAUSING, THIS, BECAUSE, IT, IS, A, PROBLEM, AND, FOR, WHATEVER, REASON, IT's.